A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Its their prerogative. Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. A Rock River two-stage match trigger or even a 3-pound single-stage trigger would be a recommended upgrade. Pick something and follow it. Most places, its still over $1500. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. Thats how capitalism works. Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. thats what matter and they put that last. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. Screw that. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. Boom. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. PERIOD. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. This says a lot about the people running the company. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. They have no ethics. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. Im not ordering anything Springfield. That is sooo repetitious! I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. Same here. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Which would help with elimination if in the future. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] I have LOUDLY mentioned their treachery on the dozens of FB groups I belong to. Last Updated. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. What opinion? Good for them, too. We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. I agree. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. In the world of .308 Win. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. I hear you on that Ruger. The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. Cancelled orders? The rifle comes fully loaded with a Rock River two-stage Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. If they are both single stage, they will basically feel the same. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. Illinois acts like an evil, independant country when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, ignoring law and constantly jockeying for ways to squelch our right of self-protection through our right to bear arms. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. S&W was sold for 12% of its former value. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. CTD is my last choice. You see once you jump in bed with the marketing types and throw millions at image you quickly discover that your rudder fell off long ago and now youre not sure what you stand forif anything. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. It washis lobbyist whostood aside on a bill that rations everyday Illinoisans to nine firearm transfers per year. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. The company was founded in 1996 by brothers Mark and Lynne Zanders. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! No sane company would move in to Illinois unless it was to curry political favor in Chicago as Boeing moving their HQ (no production) did. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. We feel that IFMAs Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 If youve already implemented them, great. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. In the former case its a matter of not really understanding the client and in the latter its a case of assuming that its better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for permission. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. Divide & conquer. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. How is he still employed? Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. Then beg for forgiveness. I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. Taurus? Didnt you read this article? Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. Pennsylvania checking in. No more. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. The firearms community will be better without them. That was just a small part of the problem. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. it So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. Im a New Yorker. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. One of the few cases of sincere contrition. Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. Built on the companys RRAGE upper and lower receiver and handguard assemblies, the pistol delivers a sleek profile. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. All things considered, a Henry Big Boy in .44mag is more likely to see the inside of my safe than a M1A1. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. Are they doing town halls? Well, not basically, they did. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. Any I have to ask WHY? After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. Fuck Ruger as well. The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. And theyre telling their friends. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. Your Price: $744.13. Search Ruger anti gun. Up yours Springfield! CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State Magpul moved. An XD and its in .40? It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. I think probably not. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. We do not need traitors in our midst. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. business or not your customers are your lively hood. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. He was busted before for bribing a Colonel on a Salvadorean arms deal. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. I just bought an EMP 3-inch. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. No guilt trip on my hip. I live in Illinois. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. Welp. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. Good luck RRA. You write as though weve been asleep. I used to have a TRP. Huh? A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. Now they will pay the price. Damage done. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmonhappily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he couldcobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Web50%. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. 3/18/2013. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. This story is libel. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. Accurate and precise for Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. We beat back a similar bill last year. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. That will never happen now. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. The Ruger is berween $6-700. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). Half of those are national groups out of Washington, D.C., that have set up shop inSpringfield hotels. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. Compare. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Yes, very disappointed. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Good luck! Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. WebThis is the perfet mag for your LAR-15, and will work great in any AR-15 platform rifle. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. Typical narrow minded hypocrites. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. 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